I don't agree with that I know of bigger firms that keep shite spreads going because there fast and send in patcher a behind them to sort it out. It's all very well everyone saying if the price is crap dont do it but the problem being is there's plenty that will. So what do you do sit at home and be a martyr or go to work and be able to pay the bills. Rates in the north west are shocking at present a fairly big sized outfit went under in February as due to overheads they can't compete with what others are going in at