scaffold advice
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To give an example of how you can make some decent profits if you scaffold a job yourself, I did a stack other week, erected a 8ft x 5 ft tower/ 3 lifts.. with a 12 ft shoot out onto the roof, to access the stack, took me 1/2 day to erect it myself.. Hire company charged 100 quid for hire and delivery/collection ( months hire min ) knock old render off,rendaid and bead up took 1 day, apply mono took 1/2 day ( clean up/drink tea etc..) then back next morning to rub up an hour, strip scaffold 2 hours.. I know we dont really talk about prices on here, but the scaffold earnt me a lot more than the actual rendering.
i own a good chunk of scaffold for the exact reasons you've said, i get a self employed scaffolder to put it up and if were doing a domestic project ill scaffold it myself unless its on a highway, I do a lot for devlopers so it tends to be provided but if I get the chance to do it ourselves it saves a lot of money and hastle as we can leave it up as long as we like without charge
I bought a heap of it about 2 years ago for about 6 grand and its paid for itself over and over again and because I bought it second hand its worth nearly what I paid for it. storing it aint a problem as I have quite a big yard
I bought a heap of it about 2 years ago for about 6 grand and its paid for itself over and over again and because I bought it second hand its worth nearly what I paid for it. storing it aint a problem as I have quite a big yard
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superspread
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Blimey cas is there anything you don't do:RpS_blink: amtico, scaffolding, plastering, ninja fighter:RpS_thumbup:
superspread
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How **** was that last nite,bet u wished u couldn't get a ticket now
lucius
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I got let down on it thank fcuk, Dawson, Rose and Walker are absolute **** none of them are, good enough for premier, managers a dick saying Defoe must play in the world cup yet they get rid of him so he is good enough to play for England but not good enough to play for Spurs and now Holtby is going, they aint got a Scooby.
lucius
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Ive spent all my life telling Scaffs they are Divs mate you tell them what you want come back in the morning and its all wrong total Divs, they are the only trade I know who go to work with a condom, Viagra, blade and abit of sniff and some puff so they can accomadate any thing that might happen in the day other than scaffolding, for example a mate of mine was on a Kiers site a while back on a random drug testing day and the scaffs just put there hands up and walked, scaffs are divs mate.
I like em coz lets be honest there as thick as us!!!!!
F*****g joiners I cant cope with all F*****g site teachers pets...and sarkys are generaly just weird there like to clever to be on a building site but dint want to do IT ******* geeks!!!
lucius
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Thicker
You missed tiling mate..lol.. qualified in it all tho, had a great apprentiship..
There is a qualification you can do mate, its a three day course and covers basic independants/towers, only to a certain height, but would be just what your looking for, it would give you a good general idea how to do the jobs you need, and would cover you by giving you a qualification, if you want info on it, let me know and I;ll get you the information,
have a look at the post i sent to Stuart mate
lol.. scaffs arent as thick as they make out pal, lot of weight loads to work out etc, and you actually need to be qualified to scaffold...
stuart23
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Yes mate I'd be interested in that.
Marshy
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lol. ours is scaffold safewty services.. big 3 lions emblem.. theres 4 of us, you wanna see the size of the labourer.. like a brick shithouse..lol.. scary...
ok mate, I;ll get the info together tomorrow and get it to ya, definately worth doing... earn a fortune doing your own jobs..
Ive worked with a few soft ones... not many tho..lol
BetterTAX
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Good grief, @cassie - I thought I'd wandered onto the wrong forum there for a minute... do you frequent the scaffs forum too?
How nice to see two trades speaking politely to each other
- well done all!
As for CISRS training... don't you have to be "sponsored", in as much as you do the course, but then you have to do all the practical work/ portfolio that needs signing off by advanced CISRS manager/ supervisor, someone who agrees to be like a mentor? I know they just brought out the introductory course, was one day but I think they have managed to stretch it to 3, but that doesn't qualify you to do scaffolding and sign it off. This link might help.
Remember, if you are self-employed or a sole trader you can offset course fees against your tax bill at the end of a year. If you are PAYE, your employer is supposed to pay for training, although in reality, not many do. This is a real bugbear to us and we intend to take HMRC to task over mandatory training fees, tax breaks and the discrimination between employment status - its shameful :RpS_cursing:.
How nice to see two trades speaking politely to each other
- well done all!As for CISRS training... don't you have to be "sponsored", in as much as you do the course, but then you have to do all the practical work/ portfolio that needs signing off by advanced CISRS manager/ supervisor, someone who agrees to be like a mentor? I know they just brought out the introductory course, was one day but I think they have managed to stretch it to 3, but that doesn't qualify you to do scaffolding and sign it off. This link might help.
Remember, if you are self-employed or a sole trader you can offset course fees against your tax bill at the end of a year. If you are PAYE, your employer is supposed to pay for training, although in reality, not many do. This is a real bugbear to us and we intend to take HMRC to task over mandatory training fees, tax breaks and the discrimination between employment status - its shameful :RpS_cursing:.
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By law scaffold doesnt need signing off mate, the scaftag system is not a legal requirement, you wont see a st scaffold with one very often, for just doing the work these boys are interested in the short course is not bad, it wont make or qualify them as a scaffolder, however the law sees a scaffolder '' as a competant person '' this is a grey area, but at least by doing the housebuilder course it gives you a chance, if the scaffold needs signing off by a CISRS scaffolder ( and independants are basic part 2 scaffolds ) then a part 2 scaffolder could sign it off, only an advanced scaff needs to sign advanced structures off, and these types of scaffolds would be well out of the ranges of the guys on here.. anyone with an inspection card can also sign scaffolds off, these are 2/3 day course... yes you are supposed to be sponsored ( working for a scaffold company ) but thats to take the CISRS part 1 and 2.. and adv courses ... no, I dont really bother with the scaff forum.. and yes guys should contact you regarding claiming training fees back when they do their tax return...
ok.. so been investigating and I;m on it..lol... the short course it appears is only for system scaffold ie. layher, cuplock, kwikstage etc.. however Im waiting on a call back and I will have something for you later today. worst case scenario will be a two week training course....
Right, the training company in nottingham couldnt be arsed getting back to me.. good job Im not like them and have a brain of my own... so, this is what you need to do, the short course is no use for tube and fitting as it only covers system scaffolds.. so the other option is to do your CISRS part 1... this doesnt qualify you as a scaffolder, but will give you 10 days of tube and fitting practical and theory covering all the scaffolds you will use as a plasterer/renderer etc... cost is about 850 quid.... its actually quite a good course, anyone need any info, let me know..
oops.. they just called back..lol.. they dont do the housebuilder course anymore, and the part 1 is 855 plus vat.
are they scaffold poles. what sizes have you got.
if you do some training you can erect safely, within your limits.. however without any knowledge, its not the best idea to just have a go, mind you.. you see some bags of **** put up most days..lol ... I noticed a few lads getting pissed off with plastering, and having your scaffold card is a decent way to make extra money .. mixing both jobs up as I do...
by the way.. NASC are full of it...
With Ali tube the max length is 20ft.... which is fine to handle, if your using the more common steel galvanised tube, I would recommend using 16ft max, the 21;s are heavy and take some getting used to, especially when using them for standards..
i use the layher speedy scaff on private jobs. Its easy to put up. I could use some ali poles for bits and pieces and to support it as it gets a bit wobbly once you put 2 lifts up.
Another question. how come if i put 2 lifts up its well shaky yet i see some traditional
scaffold that looks the same size and height with no supports outriggers and its solid
Another question. how come if i put 2 lifts up its well shaky yet i see some traditional
scaffold that looks the same size and height with no supports outriggers and its solid
lucius
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Cant believe it scaffs are turning G** now scared of a 21 lol, I come from the era when Bricklayers used to erect there own scaff far better system not having to wait for people and it is a piece of pish to do as for certification I know loads of young scaffs working for firms who have no qualifications at all as long as one person is certified the others are classed as labourers.
shouldnt wobble with 2 lifts mate, send a pic and I;ll tell you what your doing wrong if you like.. are you putting a kicker lify in ? all the sway bracing ? ledger bracing ? plan brace is very important and will really stop the shake, if you cant get a tie anywhere , I can explain how to build a buttress on to stop the shake, and some little tricks that make all the difference, my number is 07732 744188, best to get me after 7pm mate... layher is a very good system, we used a lot of it on a refinery in canada, its German..
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