screeding boj jobs

Nigel Dear said:
Did it have ufh?
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Yes Nigel
I had to scabble the whole floor,then I had to hover it within an inch of its life!! Twice I hovered it to get all the dust up in between brushing it also.
I had to purchase a resin from tech floor (as gyvlon gave me a spec to work to on the preparation)
So this was a two pack resin,first coat white and only half an hour to use a tin when mixed.
It was like trying to roll chewing gum on the floor,then within 24hrs apply a second coat (but that ones red,just so you can see where you've been really).this goes a lot further as the suction has been killed by the first coat,and whilst still wet I had to blind it all over with dried kiln sand.
So effectively you created a giant sheet of sand paper,and because you put to coats down it has now been classed as a liquid dpm membrane.
After 24hrs go back over it with a hover or sweeping brush to get rid of any excess sand.

We then put down over the whole floor gyvlon excelio over the whole lot as it can go down as thin as 12mm.
My floor ranged from 55mm deepest to 12mm
Took me a whole week on my own to scabble,clean and resin the floor bloody sole destroying,but at least I put it right and didn't just walk away 7k of my own money in total,and that was just to put it right as the customer had paid already for the materail to do the floor first time round,so it could of cost me £10k
 
cjs said:
Yes Nigel
I had to scabble the whole floor,then I had to hover it within an inch of its life!! Twice I hovered it to get all the dust up in between brushing it also.
I had to purchase a resin from tech floor (as gyvlon gave me a spec to work to on the preparation)
So this was a two pack resin,first coat white and only half an hour to use a tin when mixed.
It was like trying to roll chewing gum on the floor,then within 24hrs apply a second coat (but that ones red,just so you can see where you've been really).this goes a lot further as the suction has been killed by the first coat,and whilst still wet I had to blind it all over with dried kiln sand.
So effectively you created a giant sheet of sand paper,and because you put to coats down it has now been classed as a liquid dpm membrane.
After 24hrs go back over it with a hover or sweeping brush to get rid of any excess sand.

We then put down over the whole floor gyvlon excelio over the whole lot as it can go down as thin as 12mm.
My floor ranged from 55mm deepest to 12mm
Took me a whole week on my own to scabble,clean and resin the floor bloody sole destroying,but at least I put it right and didn't just walk away 7k of my own money in total,and that was just to put it right as the customer had paid already for the materail to do the floor first time round,so it could of cost me £10k
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cjs said:
Yes Nigel
I had to scabble the whole floor,then I had to hover it within an inch of its life!! Twice I hovered it to get all the dust up in between brushing it also.
I had to purchase a resin from tech floor (as gyvlon gave me a spec to work to on the preparation)
So this was a two pack resin,first coat white and only half an hour to use a tin when mixed.
It was like trying to roll chewing gum on the floor,then within 24hrs apply a second coat (but that ones red,just so you can see where you've been really).this goes a lot further as the suction has been killed by the first coat,and whilst still wet I had to blind it all over with dried kiln sand.
So effectively you created a giant sheet of sand paper,and because you put to coats down it has now been classed as a liquid dpm membrane.
After 24hrs go back over it with a hover or sweeping brush to get rid of any excess sand.

We then put down over the whole floor gyvlon excelio over the whole lot as it can go down as thin as 12mm.
My floor ranged from 55mm deepest to 12mm
Took me a whole week on my own to scabble,clean and resin the floor bloody sole destroying,but at least I put it right and didn't just walk away 7k of my own money in total,and that was just to put it right as the customer had paid already for the materail to do the floor first time round,so it could of cost me £10k
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That's crazy, these cowboys come in,take control of the site like their gods gift and leave a trail of destruction and they couldn't give a flyin fukc. I hope you sued the buggars? Although that ain't easy cuz they got all the tricks in the book to evade court.

Who and what area was it, it might be the same jokers? Certainly sounds like it.

I am not willing to say who did mine at this stage as they are taking me to court hopefully, for non payment. I really want my day in court. I think they might be bluffing but I have my case fully prepped.

When I've won I'm going to sue them for about 8k.
 
Nigel Dear said:
I am not willing to say who did mine at this stage as they are taking me to court hopefully, for non payment. I really want my day in court. I think they might be bluffing but I have my case fully prepped.

When I've won I'm going to sue them for about 8k.
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if i was in your position i would take out a counter claim against the company before it got to court for your non payment. as the sum of money is a large sum they will issue a high court writ against you which will cost.
in court you will be judged by a layperson so you will need to employ expert witness and poss a barrister or queens council.

as you have given the screed layers the chance to put their work correct and this seems beyond them get a quote from another firm to correct the work.
make sure before you sue anyone that they are in a position to pay your claim, as you can not get blood from a stone!
 
Nigel Dear said:
That's crazy, these cowboys come in,take control of the site like their gods gift and leave a trail of destruction and they couldn't give a flyin fukc. I hope you sued the buggars? Although that ain't easy cuz they got all the tricks in the book to evade court.

Who and what area was it, it might be the same jokers? Certainly sounds like it.

I am not willing to say who did mine at this stage as they are taking me to court hopefully, for non payment. I really want my day in court. I think they might be bluffing but I have my case fully prepped.

When I've won I'm going to sue them for about 8k.
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I'm not going to mention the name,as much as I want to the way I look at it now is the jobs been sorted,and lesson learned.

I have to take responsibility for it myself as I should of checked the guy out before I subbed him the job.
 
malc said:
if i was in your position i would take out a counter claim against the company before it got to court for your non payment. as the sum of money is a large sum they will issue a high court writ against you which will cost.
in court you will be judged by a layperson so you will need to employ expert witness and poss a barrister or queens council.

as you have given the screed layers the chance to put their work correct and this seems beyond them get a quote from another firm to correct the work.
make sure before you sue anyone that they are in a position to pay your claim, as you can not get blood from a stone!
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If they win the case then I will pay obviously, but I am pretty sure they won't be awarded a bean which is why I am not counter suing at this point. As you say you can't get blood which works allways! As I have said I am fully prepped for court and have everything I need. Rather looking forward to it. They have opened a wound as this was last year and I have resolved the floor to a respectable standard but at a cost. High court writs are only issued when you lose the case and avoid paying, that's just stupid, don't bury the head in the sand!
 
Precisely, if a slump test is carried out what can go wrong! And that's what I said to gyvlon. They did put tripods up, they were just incompetent, it's as simple as that. They even had the cheek to suggest I needed another 5mm over the top which I agreed too naturally, at extra £300! But hey if I need it I need it who am I to argue, the thing is they must have removed 3 times that trying to repair! Cowboys, just friggin cowboys!
Builderboi said:
Did they put tripods levelled out with a laser every metre and do a slump test before to ensure the product was correct not that much to it after that so really struggling to see how they f**k*d it up
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cjs said:
I'm not going to mention the name,as much as I want to the way I look at it now is the jobs been sorted,and lesson learned.

I have to take responsibility for it myself as I should of checked the guy out before I subbed him the job.
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I respect that, can you say if they are from devon!?
 
zolco said:
So what conclusion you come to? Break up redo or grind or any other solution?

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Loads of grinding and levelling compound, I was not prepared to remove as it would have cost many thousands as there was ufh, it just was not an option. The floor is acceptable but does have issues in a small number of places but are not noticeable, but I am mad! I wish I had hired a pump myself, I could have done it, but into the "proffesionals" in to save time and hassle! That didn't work eh!
 
Nigel Dear said:
Loads of grinding and levelling compound, I was not prepared to remove as it would have cost many thousands as there was ufh, it just was not an option. The floor is acceptable but does have issues in a small number of places but are not noticeable, but I am mad! I wish I had hired a pump myself, I could have done it, but into the "proffesionals" in to save time and hassle! That didn't work eh!
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I totally understand you. However hiring a machine which would set you back 3-500 quid for a day still not helping you as you need tripods, quite a few for 200m², dapple bars, a decent laser level, and at least one labourer to help you.
All is well then you got it sorted, that's the main thing!


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zolco said:
I totally understand you. However hiring a machine which would set you back 3-500 quid for a day still not helping you as you need tripods, quite a few for 200m², dapple bars, a decent laser level, and at least one labourer to help you.
All is well then you got it sorted, that's the main thing!
Agreed, it may have come out at same cost at worst, but it would have saved me a lot of time stress and grief dealing with these complete imbosiles, It held the job up for 2 months minimum, I had to put off trades due to the hold up, and the re-engage. The job was supposed to take 2 hrs and the building work could carry on after 24 hrs, what a joke.

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Thing is some tradies act like princesses, I had similar scenario like you, but with a plumber, waited 2 months to fit UFH which can be done in half a day, pisstake really, but that's life. I can't even count on me hands how many times I arranged and cancelled the screeders because of the plumber, in the end I gave up, I said to the client they have to arrange it.


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Builderboi said:
Did they put tripods levelled out with a laser every metre and do a slump test before to ensure the product was correct not that much to it after that so really struggling to see how they f**k*d it up
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Tripods set with a tape measure,and no slump test done an any of the trucks.
 
Gyvlon and the like now have thin floor screeds for repairing this type of floor. Find your highest point and bring everything to that level. If the highest point is too high grind it down a bit or raise your door heads a bit, once you make a start and decide to get it done you will be over it in no time. No use looking at your ice cream once u dropped it. Be a Dooer
 
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