because your not getting the colour with sand and cement or texture are you as with a mono finish, with out painting in the future,
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because your not getting the colour with sand and cement or texture are you as with a mono finish, with out painting in the future,
the developer purchases these mono finishes because they offer a maintenance free material, and a guarantee
that is the only reason that a devoloper would choose a more expensive material over a cheaper sand and cement render.
who do you think is going to maintain the external on a block of flats once the developers maintenance period is over?
they are good john, i like the dash finish best. they are expensive.they are hard work. some are better then others.
I do stand by my original statement, that no finish is 100% maintenance free.
The myth that modern renders are maintenance free has been banded around for years, mainly by contractors and subbies offering a USP. To my knowledge render manufacturers and system suppliers offer 'low maintenance ' and not maintenance free renders - there is a difference.
To also state the the 'only reason' these renders are chosen is for the zero maintenance aspect on blocks of flats is also misleading.
They are chosen by architects/designers who have to consider weight loads.wind loadings and structural issues, which would make the use of S&C impractical,but for which the properties of modern renders are suitable
We have used varying shades of sand to create colour esp with lime.
A range of cemtone colouring products is also available.
Nail floats can also be used with sand and cement, albeit the texture may be a bit coarse.
plasterjfe
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back to square one then though Jasper - an uncoated/unprotected porous mortar.
i think the comparison people are making is that smooth sand and cement (always painted) holds the weather off better.
another point - cost aint that far off at all coloured mono is only tad more overall because the labour time is alot less (one coat done, no scratch coat)
and your right no exterior finish is maintenance FREE, people have got in their heads wrong - none of the products I use are advertised as this but LOW maintenance, in fact most manufacturers will tell you monocouche is definitely not maintenance free and is the economical solution to coloured render. most would much rather plug an anti crack system with a silicone finish = more money
out of interest what would you call low maintenance?
i have seen a block of flats,at essex university, with a mono finish that has been repainted a dark blue colour, within three years of completion of the original work .
goody
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Nobody's talking about speed & manpower. Sand & cement is too slow done properly for any site's program these days. The worlds moved on from it. It also requires more manpower as its by hand whereas the bagged gear's by machine. I suppose OCR pumped on in one coat(2passes same day) is where it's at for a traditional floated finish in a modern timescale. At least your cutting out a week or so of scratch/drying. Of course it costs more but is only £5 a bag as opposed to £8 a bag roughly for mono. Anybody any other thoughts? CPI is cheaper but 2 separate coats
a diesel machine will spray sand and cement, as ive done it with mine, as long as its modified.
but i agree the games moved on, dont get me wrong ive lost count the amount of sand cement projects weve done over the years, but there few and far between now and you move where there is demand, or stick with sand and cement because you wont try modern renders and sit at home.
and the price of mono is creeping down due to the amount of manufactorers on the market.
but i agree the games moved on, dont get me wrong ive lost count the amount of sand cement projects weve done over the years, but there few and far between now and you move where there is demand, or stick with sand and cement because you wont try modern renders and sit at home.
and the price of mono is creeping down due to the amount of manufactorers on the market.
goody
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I think we need a general consensus for the most efficient way of providing a smooth finish that is as cheap or cheaper than mono but quicker than s&c by hand. Must include paint too. The demand is there. When you start to try and solve it...you realise why people still persevere with mono in a time/cost pressured scenario
Rigsby
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There is a plain flat render out there that has a built in colour. I have a sample bag to try. All I know is you have to float and sponge it bang on time and not spray any water on it to get it to dry out uniform.
I will let you know once I have completed my experiment.
I will let you know once I have completed my experiment.
In my opinion, anything that doesn't require loose paint removal, priming, patching and the like etc is low maintenance. A lot of westerly elevations especially where i live have awful staining caused from algae bloom, this is particularly so for open textured scraped mono which seems to act as a key.
i was thinking about the bags of cullamix, that you had to mix the dry material first as the colour would drop to the bottom of the bag.
essexandy
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I mentioned on another thread that we used some Monorex GF recently with a plastic float & sponge finish. It worked real nice. Not the cheapest of products but we'll deffo use it again.
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Curry
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CPI have a new product similar to OCR, i have 6 bags to play with.
Whats the cheapest acrylic paint and prime you have found
Rigsby
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Yes I do. Same acrylic finish on either s&c or bagged render they mostly go s&c with 2-3 years warranty rather than pay for a manufactured render and get 10-12 years warranty.
www.directbuildingproducts.co.uk
ha i was going to say the opposite most domestic projects want the warranty on completion.
ha i was going to say the opposite most domestic projects want the warranty on completion.
plasterjfe
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low maintenance
well if you are a concious homeowner who wants the home to look good (like my dad - he paints his s&C house every 5 years)
I recon mono for instance would be worth a jetting down after 5 years and then say a facade paint after a further 3 years to give it another 5 years of great looks
that aint alot of work in 13 years mate not by a long stretch. and as mentioned no prep or flaking to deal with no prep key needed.
well if you are a concious homeowner who wants the home to look good (like my dad - he paints his s&C house every 5 years)
I recon mono for instance would be worth a jetting down after 5 years and then say a facade paint after a further 3 years to give it another 5 years of great looks
that aint alot of work in 13 years mate not by a long stretch. and as mentioned no prep or flaking to deal with no prep key needed.
Rigsby
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I think it may be the way you sell it and what competition you are up against.
I try to push the manufactured as I find it easier and safer but round here ££££££ counts.
i think that over painting mono you would lose the texture finish.
years ago we plastered essex university with a church finish. today if you saw the walls you would swear that the walls had be skimmed as the texture has been lost
plasterjfe
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true over time
after one paint tho you would still have a texture. successive painting will soften any grain
after one paint tho you would still have a texture. successive painting will soften any grain
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