Uni- finish advice. (@ theplasterman ?)

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theplasterman said:
Don't know if it would help or anyone wants to see it but I am thinking to record a few sets on jobs over artex,old dry surfaces and general reskim crap over next couple of few weeks and post up to show timings and why to 3 coat if needed.
Always felt that the information out there is okay but would be better shown.
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R u the new RWF 007 - get sum vids up u Lodan firing it on instead (y)
 
theplasterman said:
2 bags on a ceiling came in handy today

Maybe we should agree to disagree on it

I think it's strange people don't use it,
And people think its strange I do

Different strokes for different folks
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Halesowen b&q had 10 bags left with sell by date 17 feb
I didnt bother, its too much of a gamble for most and initial outlay to bother with. Shame cos its nice gear to use.
 
jamesthefirst said:
Halesowen b&q had 10 bags left with sell by date 17 feb
I didnt bother, its too much of a gamble for most and initial outlay to bother with. Shame cos its nice gear to use.
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Bedroom I done today had to rip out a fitted wardrobes took till about 11.30am, the walls was silk painted and where the fitted wardrobes was removed had to fill with some board on ceiling where stud timber was ripped out and with hardwall on wall studs ripped out that was back to brick put pva on walls and mixed up unifinish and banged onto artex ceiling (no pva) 12.30pm finished ceiling 2 coats 3.30,then gone,the pva on walls were just going dry when I left,on domestic work that is how it works for me anyone wanting to use pva and multifinish on that same ceiling would not of been skimming it till tomorrow,the bags cost £8.50 each (£7more than multi would of) got an extra £### today for getting that ceiling done and will bang the walls tomorrow before 12..
For me it is making me more money
The old ways guys can stick to the old ways
But I definitely ain't
Those days are gone.
 
Most jobs I do I overboard the ceiling, pre grit the walls and skim the ceiling then next day skim the walls all in the knowledge it will stay on. Can't think of a time this gear would ever come in handy coz I rarely over skin a ceiling or price a job with one wall.
 
I can ... most of my jobs are in homes ,1 wall or one room,1 ,2,3 or 4 days and I move on..currently booked until end of May on these small domestic jobs which I find are more profitable than big jobs .Not bragging but booked 2.5 months on small jobs I must be doing something right..i think unifinish users are a bit like the machine guys with machines, when they are spraying there walls on I bet they are laughing to themselves about all the plasterers hand applying render like I am laughing thinking of all the poor sods rolling on their pretreatment of walls and ceilings..
Lol each to there own
Old ways and the new
 
Lol my jobs are similar to yours so I don't get what your saying. If your on a job for more than a day why not just pregrit or PVA rather than spend an extra £40 on plaster when there is a tried and tested plaster on the market? Leave you too it mate you seem to love it but they haven't brought out anything new or solved any problem and comparing it to spraying plaster your having a laugh or grasping at straws.
 
I've not used uni @flynnman but playing devils advocate would there not be room for uni finish more in your way of doing things?
If each job is usually board ceiling, grit walls, skim ceiling - 2nd day skim walls then if your a unifinish user and your still overboarding u could chuck a wall or two on in the afternoon also and next morning finish walls. Afternoon go to next job board ceiling. Next day skim it all.

You've done 4 days work in 3 because ur not waiting for the grit.

Not saying you personally would/could do this but if someone was keen uni certainly opens up the possibility for them no?

Cost wise if you use grit not pva would be marginal


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I'll be trying uni on the next job i get thats suitable. I think it has potential. I'd certainly be more inclined to use it on silk painted walls because i hate waiting for pva


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flynnyman said:
Lol my jobs are similar to yours so I don't get what your saying. If your on a job for more than a day why not just pregrit or PVA rather than spend an extra £40 on plaster when there is a tried and tested plaster on the market? Leave you too it mate you seem to love it but they haven't brought out anything new or solved any problem and comparing it to spraying plaster your having a laugh or grasping at straws.
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My point is it earned me more money I did the walls today with multi.the ceiling was put on and finished by the time the pva had dried, earned extra yesterday and finish earlier today £7 extra on the ceiling compared to multi but customer paid it.I could of gone to another ceiling and made more money today or finish early.either way it makes my days better.
I always have multi and unifinish in the van so the option is always there to use either I can turn up later as there is no prep to do or get more work done which earns more money or finish earlier.
 
thebearbeef said:
I'll be trying uni on the next job i get thats suitable. I think it has potential. I'd certainly be more inclined to use it on silk painted walls because i hate waiting for pva


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Keep to low suction is where it is best a lot seem to not like the high suction and end up hating it having to either 3 coat or battle it out which if is the case ain't worth doing to get no benefit from using it.
Pva would dry quick on high suction so I can appreciate some don't want to bother on that.
Low suction happy days
 
theplasterman said:
My point is it earned me more money I did the walls today with multi.the ceiling was put on and finished by the time the pva had dried, earned extra yesterday and finish earlier today £7 extra on the ceiling compared to multi but customer paid it.I could of gone to another ceiling and made more money today or finish early.either way it makes my days better.
I always have multi and unifinish in the van so the option is always there to use either I can turn up later as there is no prep to do or get more work done which earns more money or finish earlier.
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I know you love the gear mate and that's fine but don't start talking s**t about it will make you more money coz it won't. Give it six months and your builders and customers are wanting it cheaper coz they think your doing half the work :)
 
flynnyman said:
I know you love the gear mate and that's fine but don't start talking s**t about it will make you more money coz it won't. Give it six months and your builders and customers are wanting it cheaper coz they think your doing half the work :)
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Already gave it 2 years and my prices have gone up not down.
 
theplasterman said:
Bedroom I done today had to rip out a fitted wardrobes took till about 11.30am, the walls was silk painted and where the fitted wardrobes was removed had to fill with some board on ceiling where stud timber was ripped out and with hardwall on wall studs ripped out that was back to brick put pva on walls and mixed up unifinish and banged onto artex ceiling (no pva) 12.30pm finished ceiling 2 coats 3.30,then gone,the pva on walls were just going dry when I left,on domestic work that is how it works for me anyone wanting to use pva and multifinish on that same ceiling would not of been skimming it till tomorrow,the bags cost £8.50 each (£7more than multi would of) got an extra £### today for getting that ceiling done and will bang the walls tomorrow before 12..
For me it is making me more money
The old ways guys can stick to the old ways
But I definitely ain't
Those days are gone.
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Uni clearly is a benefit to you.a 3 hour set on a ceiling with no prep 2 coat would work for me but how come it's so unpredictable. It was over 4 hours set for me on a low suction background both times.warm room.you don't seem to get people have tried it and had issues with set,that's what my problem is.it's not a case of I want it to fail.
 
Donzo said:
Uni clearly is a benefit to you.a 3 hour set on a ceiling with no prep 2 coat would work for me but how come it's so unpredictable. It was over 4 hours set for me on a low suction background both times.warm room.you don't seem to get people have tried it and had issues with set,that's what my problem is.it's not a case of I want it to fail.
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I can't say why your set was 4 hours donzo because I wasn't there with you,I can guess at possible reasons like everything we all talk about on here tbh it would be good to do a few mixes together with you and anyone else to find out.
I can only truthfully comment of what I do and find.
If I work with my cousin with his sets with multi and pva take 3 hours and in the same room mine take 2-2.5 hours he will say why is yours less time ? The difference will be he puts his first coat on to thick and wait later to lay in than me then he'll be waiting to flatten later and he users different trowels than me,that's just a general example if you get what I mean
He is the same on artex overskim he likes a big first coat to totally cover say everylast stipple where as I do my first coat tight and see stipple heads.
Possibly this is the difference in times for all different spreads ,everyone has there own ways.
 
theplasterman said:
I can't say why your set was 4 hours donzo because I wasn't there with you,I can guess at possible reasons like everything we all talk about on here tbh it would be good to do a few mixes together with you and anyone else to find out.
I can only truthfully comment of what I do and find.
If I work with my cousin with his sets with multi and pva take 3 hours and in the same room mine take 2-2.5 hours he will say why is yours less time ? The difference will be he puts his first coat on to thick and wait later to lay in than me then he'll be waiting to flatten later and he users different trowels than me,that's just a general example if you get what I mean
He is the same on artex overskim he likes a big first coat to totally cover say everylast stipple where as I do my first coat tight and see stipple heads.
Possibly this is the difference in times for all different spreads ,everyone has there own ways.
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Yes.:)
 
theplasterman said:
Keep to low suction is where it is best a lot seem to not like the high suction and end up hating it having to either 3 coat or battle it out which if is the case ain't worth doing to get no benefit from using it.
Pva would dry quick on high suction so I can appreciate some don't want to bother on that.
Low suction happy days
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I used it on a high suction background, old skimming, controlled the suction with a bit of water and it went on a treat tbh
 
Why moan about the price of uni? Just charge the customer more when quoting for works ! Look at the price of external render its shot right up in price over the last five years ! What do the render lads do ?they bang it on the quote!
 
3 x 4 ceiling extra cost off uni £8 approx versus time of applying pva and waiting for it to dry in between coats can work out cheaper.
 
thebearbeef said:
I've not used uni @flynnman but playing devils advocate would there not be room for uni finish more in your way of doing things?
If each job is usually board ceiling, grit walls, skim ceiling - 2nd day skim walls then if your a unifinish user and your still overboarding u could chuck a wall or two on in the afternoon also and next morning finish walls. Afternoon go to next job board ceiling. Next day skim it all.

You've done 4 days work in 3 because ur not waiting for the grit.

Not saying you personally would/could do this but if someone was keen uni certainly opens up the possibility for them no?

Cost wise if you use grit not pva would be marginal


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I can see your way of thinking but if the price is right why run around like a loonatic and in my opinion a better job.
 
Im not the sort to chase money, i'd rather be home at 3pm for £1XX than work til 5 for £2XX so i get your system. Just saying it has a place to those inclined to use it and chase money.

Same logic though if i can save half an hour by using uni on a one mix day i'd still be keen to be home half hour earlier.

P.s your a miserable b*****d


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Rolling pva on at 9am ..ideal surface for unifinish lets see how long pva will be sitting there waiting for drying

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Fatarm said:
:rolleyes:........


still not dry then??
















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Gave up waiting ..they ran out at merchants, here is price I been paying at sig anyone is welcome to copy this and show there merchants when bartering for a better price I doubt chancer mart will do any discount until out of date but sure merchants will be able to match this cost for in date unifinish..they have got to sell it at a reasonable price , hope this helps anyone wanting to use it.

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theplasterman said:
Gave up waiting ..they ran out at merchants, here is price I been paying at sig anyone is welcome to copy this and show there merchants when bartering for a better price I doubt chancer mart will do any discount until out of date but sure merchants will be able to match this cost for in date unifinish..they have got to sell it at a reasonable price , hope this helps anyone wanting to use it.

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That's not a bad price to be fair

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