Sweden looks nice...I'm off
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Pagey
Private Member
He set out in politics to get Britain out of the eu he was the champion for this if it wasn't for his constant badgering making Cameron look a fool after the pitiful negotiations we wouldn't of even been talking about this cos it wouldn't of happened, your right I am becoming a minority we all are we should all be equals regardless but why do some get favoured more than others? Was you happy that the European court said it was humane to deport Abu hamza and cost us over £2 million to actually win the case of deporting him? I can see what people are doing they trying to goad me into saying something that will make me racist but if me worrying about my future my kids future my families future will be like then how can that be racist I'm more for and as I keep saying let's start at home first I want our money to be spent here on the nhs on the road networks on creating wealth on our soliders building houses I don't want our tax money going to the eu to build a Latvian statue I want what's best for uk not the European Union, don't you think it's a joke over 10k of the eu workers earn more than our pm? These people have an ideology and you are falling for their crap thing is you need to ask anyone from any European country how they feel will they say yes I'm European or will they say I'm English polish Italian Spanish I think your find its the latter and one super state won't work because we all speak different language to be a super power like USA it would take years for that to be achieved and it's not something I would want to be part of
Squarehead
Well-Known Member
Farage - the poster. I mean, how disgustingly vile was that poster.? Youtube Syria war footage, that's an absolute disgrace. Kids in that queue of people. You and I won the lottery when by chance we were born in this country and those desperate people need a hand from fellow humans. All this playground my flags better than your flag nonsense is so backward, f**k**g medieval stuff. Have we not moved on at all? Let's just for one moment put ourselves in the shoes of a Syrian man dragging his dead kid from the rubble of his house and then clap that fascist scum for his anti EU poster with people with brown skin. And on the Brussels as speech. If you can't see how childish and utterly without humility that was then there's no point to this discussion it's just a different mindset. Even Schulz asked the mep's not to respond and act like ukip do in the chamber. So so embarrassing.
Pagey
Private Member
So by remaining what is there to gain? The euro money is so strong Greece has recovered really well haven't they its a failing union who have just lost a big chunk of income what gets me is why all you remain people don't live in mainland Europe is that choice or just you know this is where it's better and a whole better place to be
Pagey
Private Member
So branding everyone who disagrees with your point is a racist and disgusting,you have to much empathy and I know it's sad and we should help as much as we can but we can't take every one on,if the Middle East is such a nice place why aren't Saudi Arabia and the like helping out I do want to help but what we have here and it's not the fault of the people they ha e been ruled by a draconian state and will take time to intergrate we have already seen s*x attacks by these men on women across Europe but you can find it in yourself to forgive them I can't because that's lower than low
vfr12
MOTORC*NT
Can you give us the roe numbers- given/taken to/from the EU, Pagey? I will be happy if you shed some light on this, cos no one has put the figures out there for us t see. Even something close to the real numbers will be still something.
vfr12
MOTORC*NT
I know that, so am I ! But how can you tell you won or lost something, when you don't know it's value. Can the say you realise how valuable something is only when is lost be the last thing in this circus?
Pagey
Private Member
The euro is getting weaker and is a failing currency,it's to weak to survive if it was that strong why don't the markets trade in it? Everything is brought in £ and $ and not the euro,it's to unstable to trade with,the stock market closed today higher than its been for 3 months the pound will not go in free fall our economy will out live the Euro, the battle has already started and you can see in the members of the eu they are getting worried perhaps they should of been a bit more generous at the negotiations
vfr12
MOTORC*NT
That's something for the mass public . Trades are based on these numbers and are like the holy grail for every economy in the world. I remember once the euro was way stronger than the dollar and that was for exactly 3 days, the plunged back to normal. German economy was booming and there wasn't really explanation why it happened , appart from not even one ship left Hamburg becase of the high euro. Killed the trade for 3 days.People are relying on the fact that uk is taking more than giving to get a good deal with eu, but that is very wrong. Once the economy starts its downfall there won't be much BMW' coming our way. What country needs in times like this is produce and I have asked many times and given the clue on here- what is the uk produce at the moment and how much of it is 100% british? No answer really , which is telling me most of the people are as much delusional as the politicians.
How can you have too much empathy? Do you remember who was bombing these countries? You haven't mentioned what we get out of being in Europe?
Watch when Europe plays their ace card and says they will stop subsidising the farmers, you will see true colours of who you voted for and who will lose out, with their little plot of land in Lincolnshire.
Pagey
Private Member
We get half back we put in the eu, id rather have the full amount and be available to deal with the world with our own deals why don't you live in Europe mainland, empathy has to stop at some point call it heartless but my empathy goes to the old generation who can't afford to heat their homes in winter the ones on hospital beds in hospital hallways the sick who can't get the medicine they need although available because it's not seen as important how can I start looking further a field when my own country is a mess? Yes and who took us to the wars, hmmm Tony Blair yes your favourite leader he has blood on his hands and we should never of got involved
zolco
Private Member
Losing the agricultural subsidies will be the end of this country. Westminster won't be paying that for the farmers that's a given. No other country than the uk and ROI has the red diesel priced at 40-50p a litre plus the subsidies after the land, it's worth it to be a farmer today, plus have a look the land prices. I yet to meet a poor a farmer.
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Pagey
Private Member
Have you never seen or read when the farmers in Europe wanted more for there goods and they wasn't getting it the European Union brought up all the goods and let them rot in a field so demand was higher and they could them get a better rate so don't give me all that about farmers
Pagey
Private Member
Cheers mate I really do think the left are the ones that need to wake up to the reality of the eu I don't care about others until our own house is in order it should be a case look after number one but if I can help someone along the way I will
zolco
Private Member
But in the meantime they should weed out the benefit tossers, their lifestyle is to claim through the nose. That would massively help the vulnerable people, but no political party would ever do that as it would upset the voters
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Pagey
Private Member
Mate I agree in sick of seeing people who choose it for a lifestyle choice I haven't got a choice I go to work to earn a living and to better myself my mum had 3 jobs when we was kids my dad worked 16 hour shifts just so we could survive thing is today people know their rights not their responsibility
What happened is the Tory party hijacked a referendum on in or out and people fell for it. Corbyne worked tirelessly as one of his members said,(leave you to find out who) but the bbc didn't cover it. It became a game show between two blokes on the same party, does nobody realise they were the same? Then they both had the audacity to scarper and all I hear is "well we won were not bothered" I honestly don't understand that people can't see what went on here, the result for me stands I've never tries to change it or called for it to be changed but that's the answers I keep getting "we won so there". I fell out with a bloke/mate the other day coz I pulled him on the amount of times he said we. I asked what he meant when he said we and he couldn't answer it and got all shirty. Who is we?
vfr12
MOTORC*NT
He is bang on, he is cool and I admire him. After all I have seen in my life. Am a bit more reserved, but not delusional. For me there is no left or right, I don't have political favourite nor religion I belong to, which keeps my mind open and helps me to have more options, if that's the la la land then so be it.
Let's not start about food being left to rot in the ground.
Pagey
Private Member
I don't mean to be this passionate but it gets my back up by others saying sort the world out yea we should help the ones that we have caused damaged to buy when I drive down road and go through the poorer parts and see the things I do read old people can't hear their homes soldiers that been to war and lost a limb can't get treatment and a house little kids who have a serious illness but governments won't supply the medicine or treatment they need and then the parents have to beg to raise money to help their own hospitals where you can't be seen these are real issues that I see and then people tell me let's help the rest of world out people need to have a reality check cos this is closer to home than many actually think
That's the difference your mam could find three jobs and your dad could do overtime coz it payed also people out of work are the most Vunerable not to mention the sick.
It's your government which has done this not Europe now you don't have Europe, be prepared for what they do next coz it won't be nice especially with. No one to stop them.
Pagey
Private Member
There is plenty of work for everyone regardless it's how u apply yourself most I've had off is about a week in 17 years through no work not bad going I would say
Pagey
Private Member
But now the shackles are off we won't have to abide by the regulation everything is going to be fine and I WILL expect an apology
Do you honestly think if we had all the money to ourselves the Tories would share it? Lol
But we will have to abide by another set of regulations that will screw us all over, this mentality of being free from something that has kept you in work for 17 years to uncertainty is ridiculous, I won't expect an apology.
So why the f**k are you complaining about being in Europe?
Pagey
Private Member
The people have spoken they under more scrutiny than ever to be fair and distribute better,you think labour done a good job in power? The tories have spent years now undoing what labour created and we would be better off if we hadn't of had a hung parliament and had to have lib dems on board because they got to veto everything, in not massive into the political party thing as I know they will all stitch us up one way or the other but you hail labour as saints which is also laughable
The Tories have spent more and taken more how do you call that undoing?