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flynnyman said:
But we will have to abide by another set of regulations that will screw us all over, this mentality of being free from something that has kept you in work for 17 years to uncertainty is ridiculous, I won't expect an apology.
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Really? The companies I have worked for haven't been based in the eu,we create our own work as well it doesn't all come from Europe does it,I rode out last recession which was a world recession so a small bump by us leaving the eu is fine by me,,,,back to you flynny
 
Pagey said:
The people have spoken they under more scrutiny than ever to be fair and distribute better,you think labour done a good job in power? The tories have spent years now undoing what labour created and we would be better off if we hadn't of had a hung parliament and had to have lib dems on board because they got to veto everything, in not massive into the political party thing as I know they will all stitch us up one way or the other but you hail labour as saints which is also laughable
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The lib dems gave up their pledges which finished their party they didn't stop anything they just bent over.
 
Pagey said:
Really? The companies I have worked for haven't been based in the eu,we create our own work as well it doesn't all come from Europe does it,I rode out last recession which was a world recession so a small bump by us leaving the eu is fine by me,,,,back to you flynny
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Where were they based? Lol
 
Flynny we go round in circles because you won't take valid arguments, has England not been booming since tories got in? Don't say it's because of the eu,because the eu didn't decide that Mrs Jones bedroom down the road could be plastered did it
 
Pagey said:
But now the shackles are off we won't have to abide by the regulation everything is going to be fine and I WILL expect an apology
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I will tag this post and don't be surprised when after some time you start talking or doubting like flynny. I personally will be more than happy to apologise ,but if it appears you were wrong I do look forward to your statement .
 
vfr12 said:
I will tag this post and don't be surprised when after some time you start talking or doubting like flynny. I personally will be more than happy to apologise ,but if it appears you were wrong I do look forward to your statement .
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If we go down the swanny I will hold hands up and say yeah you was right as I am that sort of person but realistically we won't know for another 2 years but if goes the other way will I get an apology? I doubt it
 
Pagey said:
Flynny we go round in circles because you won't take valid arguments, has England not been booming since tories got in? Don't say it's because of the eu,because the eu didn't decide that Mrs Jones bedroom down the road could be plastered did it
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She can't afford to get it plastered because of the bedroom tax.
 
Pagey said:
Flynny we go round in circles because you won't take valid arguments, has England not been booming since tories got in? Don't say it's because of the eu,because the eu didn't decide that Mrs Jones bedroom down the road could be plastered did it
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I don't think it's booming since they have been in the last year has been good but I know people in other industries are struggling and the chances of kids leaving home and buying a house is very slim on their own. I've taken every valid argument and asked questions lien you do in a debate. To be fair I've really only asked two, what does we have our freedom actually mean and also what do you win? Nobody has really given an answer apart from answering one question with the other question which I find quite funny. Come on we are all in this together ;) so what have we won and when do we get it?
 
Hahaha I've already put that in its place further back on the thread already covered that,,,, next question please
 
vfr12 said:
I will tag this post and don't be surprised when after some time you start talking or doubting like flynny. I personally will be more than happy to apologise ,but if it appears you were wrong I do look forward to your statement .
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Same here I really do want to have got it wrong. I'm desperate to have got it wrong. We don't want pain just to prove a point. I do feel more European than British and I guess a lot of the remainers feel like we've lost our identity a bit. We've always been seen as the baddies of Europe and now we'll be seen as even more arrogant. Pagey I'm assuming we can count on your attendance at the pro Europe rallies all across the country this weekend? gps is coming
 
Pagey said:
If we go down the swanny I will hold hands up and say yeah you was right as I am that sort of person but realistically we won't know for another 2 years but if goes the other way will I get an apology? I doubt it
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So you were prepared to gamble you and your families future on a two year plan by the government, when it seems your future was quite rosey?
 
flynnyman said:
I don't think it's booming since they have been in the last year has been good but I know people in other industries are struggling and the chances of kids leaving home and buying a house is very slim on their own. I've taken every valid argument and asked questions lien you do in a debate. To be fair I've really only asked two, what does we have our freedom actually mean and also what do you win? Nobody has really given an answer apart from answering one question with the other question which I find quite funny. Come on we are all in this together ;) so what have we won and when do we get it?
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We have won the right to not only set our own agreements with 500million people but to now be available to trade with 2.2 billion people we have won the right to stop the ehcr telling us who we can and can't deport we have won the right not to take on the eu laws and legislation the list is endless we won't have to bow down to unelected unaccountable people who only have a dream of living in ideology when do we get it? Well once article 50 is triggered there is a period of 2 years to try sort it could take a week could take the two years so last question I can't answer
 
We've got our freedom to be f**k*d over by a different bunch of arseholes. But this new bunch of true blue British arseholes won't be shackled by the European bill of human rights so it'll be OK to be held without trial etc. There were a fair few other things legal do dahs that made us much safer as individuals but if you read the daily fail or the scum they'd have you believing otherwise.
 
Yes I am prepared to take a shot not a gamble on my kids life's and my own and my country's for leaving the European Union they need us more than we need them and square head that is the most ridiculous thing I've heard I feel European we are British not European that don't represent us one bit you have been brainwashed my friend ask any Spanish Italian French man if they feel European they will say no I feel ect ect ect
 
Squarehead said:
Farage - the poster. I mean, how disgustingly vile was that poster.? Youtube Syria war footage, that's an absolute disgrace. Kids in that queue of people. You and I won the lottery when by chance we were born in this country and those desperate people need a hand from fellow humans. All this playground my flags better than your flag nonsense is so backward, f**k**g medieval stuff. Have we not moved on at all? Let's just for one moment put ourselves in the shoes of a Syrian man dragging his dead kid from the rubble of his house and then clap that fascist scum for his anti EU poster with people with brown skin. And on the Brussels as speech. If you can't see how childish and utterly without humility that was then there's no point to this discussion it's just a different mindset. Even Schulz asked the mep's not to respond and act like ukip do in the chamber. So so embarrassing.
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In my opinion the whole refugee thing is a Bush/Blair legacy and i am looking forward to watching the Blair interview he did on american tv the other night, there were bits and pieces on the tv this morning with cut aways to an old cabinet minister of his, commenting on Blairs replies. Yes Farage did go down the route you say and while unsavory he knew his target audience and played to it as did Boris to his target audience and the same again with Gove. The incident in Brussells was childish he should not have reacted the way he did when they all jeered him before he spoke but let's face it he is about to become an unemployed politician shortly anyway.

Now in the aftermath of last week it is interesting to see that the Tories appear to be much better at politics than Labour. Considering they were more or less torn down the middle on BREXIT, it would seem it has been deemed Boris is to be the sacrificial lamb and according to Hesletine Boris is more or less in league with the devil and Gove is a saintly character who is wholely capable of rescuing us all from this horrible mess Big Bad Boris has got us in to.
Now look at how the Labour party are acting and it's pitiful, so much so that i may pay for Labour party membership just so i can vote for Corbyn their democratically elected Leader if it is needed. As i heard one observer say on the radio the other day the Labour party are in real danger of creating a situation where graduates are telling their membership that they know better than them which will see supporters leave the party in their droves at future elections.

One thing is for sure the likes of Hesletine and disgruntled Labour mp's throwing all the negative sheite out there dose nothing more than create instability and uncertainty.
Why not take the view point that this could actually lead to a rethink on the EU totally by all members and, ultimately, lead to a leaner more focused EU. I mean should they really be discussing an EU army ? cos isn't that what the UN is for or am i missing something.
Yes this could be a very messy divorce because it is not in the UK's or EU's interests for either one to appear to be doing really well without the other but, if the individual Leaders of the member states act and think responsibly who knows it could work out marvelously for everyone.

It's just a fact of life that generally speaking people like a quiet life and therefore dislike change and to quote a fella who did his share human rights "We have nothing to fear except fear itself"
 
Pagey said:
We have won the right to not only set our own agreements with 500million people but to now be available to trade with 2.2 billion people we have won the right to stop the ehcr telling us who we can and can't deport we have won the right not to take on the eu laws and legislation the list is endless we won't have to bow down to unelected unaccountable people who only have a dream of living in ideology when do we get it? Well once article 50 is triggered there is a period of 2 years to try sort it could take a week could take the two years so last question I can't answer
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You do know you can buy s**t from China and America already on eBay? They might deport one of your family or friends for f**k all and you won't be able to do s**t, do you think that's fair?
 
flynnyman said:
You do know you can buy s**t from China and America already on eBay? They might deport one of your family or friends for f**k all and you won't be able to do s**t, do you think that's fair?
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What is that statement about I don't buy my countries bulk items on eBay do I
 
Now your clutching at straws really and trying to be fickle the governments don't buy goods over eBay do they, come on flynny what a stupid argument to even try bring your better than that
 
Pagey said:
If we go down the swanny I will hold hands up and say yeah you was right as I am that sort of person but realistically we won't know for another 2 years but if goes the other way will I get an apology? I doubt it
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If we can succeed in 2 years time, Pagey , that will be miracle. My guess is 10x2 years before we see the end of it.Now first we are to see the politicians robing us with the new schemes learned from the masters , fill all budget holes, people will " express " the democratic vote many times and every new government will promise prosperity bla bla bla. You will start talking like flynny after 5 years, then flynny like you the next 5 years........while the only thing that will keep us going will be hope, the same thing we all won and lost at the same time a week ago.
 
owls said:
I wouldn't worry about Blair, he's going to The Hague when the Chilcot report comes out in a few weeks.
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And Corbyn will be calling for it :) that's why his mates have a f**k*d off lol see that kid at the G** pride heckling corbyn he only works for blairs publicity company hahahaha you couldn't make it up, have a read who else works there it will show you all you need to know.
 
Europe is getting a bigger none entity on the world stage as time goes by,
The principal of Europe works, in that we are indeed Stronger together and that it's the end game of working together to achieve.
The problem is in reality it's not like that, it's an undemocratic outfit that's not held to account.
 
Pagey said:
Now your clutching at straws really and trying to be fickle the governments don't buy goods over eBay do they, come on flynny what a stupid argument to even try bring your better than that
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I'm not on about the government I'm on about us , we can and businesses can so what's the problem?
 
flynnyman said:
And Corbyn will be calling for it :) that's why his mates have a f**k*d off lol see that kid at the G** pride heckling corbyn he only works for blairs publicity company hahahaha you couldn't make it up, have a read who else works there it will show you all you need to know.
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It's politics, it's covering each other's back with one eye on there own future standing, nothing new there regardless of party.
 
owls said:
Europe is getting a bigger none entity on the world stage as time goes by,
The principal of Europe works, in that we are indeed Stronger together and that it's the end game of working together to achieve.
The problem is in reality it's not like that, it's an undemocratic outfit that's not held to account.
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I agree, personally I think if it was to be fixed we had to be in it to fix it coz a lot of it works and these are the things people take for granted till they are gone.
 
Pug said:
We've got our freedom to be f**k*d over by a different bunch of arseholes. But this new bunch of true blue British arseholes won't be shackled by the European bill of human rights so it'll be OK to be held without trial etc. There were a fair few other things legal do dahs that made us much safer as individuals but if you read the daily fail or the scum they'd have you believing otherwise.
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Exactly, tories will run riot without the convention and workers employment rights that EU legislated. I went to price a job tonight and I save a copy of the fail and I'm in two minds now, he seemed alright up until then. I want May over gove but she said today no election until 2020...fųck off. And raggles, I heard that heseltine interview today and was just as angered, almost threw up in my skimming bucket. Arrogant t**t....F*****g IDS rifkind level arrogance. Haha I'm so happy about Boris though. ....made my day that has, stunning.
 
Labour have lost the working class heartland of the north, there loosing the vote, That's under corbyns watch, that's why he has to go.
 
flynnyman said:
I agree, personally I think if it was to be fixed we had to be in it to fix it coz a lot of it works and these are the things people take for granted till they are gone.
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But perversely it might take us leaving to reform it. If labour had a strong dececive leader with a clear direction ie that of corbyns of remaining should have been , we would still be in the eu.any sitting government needs a strong credible opposition to hold it to account, at the moment they don't have that, so anyone going on about the Tories running riot it is of part because they have no opposition.
 
owls said:
Labour have lost the working class heartland of the north, there loosing the vote, That's under corbyns watch, that's why he has to go.
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I don't think he has, I think he has more than he ever had and the vote will prove it beyond doubt.
 
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