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[QUOTE="theplasterman, post: 969242, member: 2

cant wait to see if we crash or boom

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Same here though I expect the UK will take a hit for 5 years, grow next 5 and will boom after this. Just a guess but can't see it booming straight away. Will take 2 years(or more) to exit EU, few years of the unknown then next generation will pull yas all out of the mess.

I just wish we'd follow because Europe has royally fcuked us and will continue to do so in the coming years, ESP when this ttip comes.
 
The public staying positive and still spending plays a bit part. When people fear about their jobs or savings etc everything tightens up and recession ensues. The fact that our government is looking like it's in free fall isn't good at the moment. Cameron gone and Corbyn won't be long leaving the two major parties with no leaders.
Osbourne says he has no plan post referendum which is absolutely pathetic as he should have prepared for the outcome he didn't want the arrogant get.
I think all the out voters knew we were in for a rough ride but it will come good in the end. Some good old fashioned British grit to not let ourselves fall behind will see us good no doubt. It won't be easy that's for sure. There's a lot with power that want us to suffer temporarily to say "I told you so." So it will happen for a bit.
 
Our incumbent government are frankly a disgrace. They ran for office on a manifesto that included the promise of a referendum on Brexit then in an act of either arrogance or pure stupidity fail to carry out any kind of planning in case it happens and then the leader of that party spits the dummy and hands in his notice. Nice one Dave just like a spoilt kid leaving grown ups to tidy up his mess.
Then you have Labour and the night of the long daggers, Oh it's all Corbins fault because he didn't campaign passionately enough. Now I have to be honest and say I'm not sure Corbin is world or country leader stuff he certainly appears to be honest and stays true to his belief's so are we to presume that those who are now trying to oust him would have prefered him to lie when campaigning for an in vote and if so what dose that say about them?

In summation I think the whole thing surrounding Brexit is another glaring example of how politicians just do not seem to grasp that what they want is not nessissarily what their constituents want and voters do not like being told what they should want.
 
Meanwhile here on the Costa :descansando: :hola:
Sweden looks nice...I'm off
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raggles said:
Our incumbent government are frankly a disgrace. They ran for office on a manifesto that included the promise of a referendum on Brexit then in an act of either arrogance or pure stupidity fail to carry out any kind of planning in case it happens and then the leader of that party spits the dummy and hands in his notice. Nice one Dave just like a spoilt kid leaving grown ups to tidy up his mess.
Then you have Labour and the night of the long daggers, Oh it's all Corbins fault because he didn't campaign passionately enough. Now I have to be honest and say I'm not sure Corbin is world or country leader stuff he certainly appears to be honest and stays true to his belief's so are we to presume that those who are now trying to oust him would have prefered him to lie when campaigning for an in vote and if so what dose that say about them?

In summation I think the whole thing surrounding Brexit is another glaring example of how politicians just do not seem to grasp that what they want is not nessissarily what their constituents want and voters do not like being told what they should want.
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Sorry buddy DC had no choice but to resign, there is two years to plan for leaving so what don't you get here?

Btw ftse is back to where it was and the pound is in the back up what's changed ? I tell you what nothing
 
gps said:
Sorry buddy DC had no choice but to resign, there is two years to plan for leaving so what don't you get here?

Btw ftse is back to where it was and the pound is in the back up what's changed ? I tell you what nothing
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Single market discussions not begun yet. That's the crunch. If we can negotiate a place that suits us and Europe back in the single market then things should stabilise. Until then the ftse means nothing. It's the dead cat effect.
 
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Single market discussions not begun yet. That's the crunch. If we can negotiate a place that suits us and Europe back in the single market then things should stabilise. Until then the ftse means nothing. It's the dead cat effect.
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Look it's already stabilised, according to your lot from day one its was all doom mass unemployment, people losing there homes and so on and so on #projectfear lol
 
gps said:
Look it's already stabilised, according to your lot from day one its was all doom mass unemployment, people losing there homes and so on and so on #projectfear lol
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It's stabilised? Ok silly me for worrying. All sorted. Panic over guys.
 
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As the guy says it's sad that people are unaware of the deception that's being played out against them.
And just confirm to each other the media fed version of the truth !! Which is as we know controlled by those who's interests are definitely not in the interest of the people. End of.:sisi:
 
gps said:
What PANIC anyway lol

Oh yes projectfear, it was all made up b*ll***s
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Nothing has started or changed yet, tbh. UK hasn't filed article 50 . What appears tho , there is no plan for action at all and will take time until we have something n the table to negotiate about. EU is pressing for start, UK don't give a f**k. Business has put pressure on government to start asap the negotiations . No plan, no ideas the only thing we know is that the business wants access to the single market. Oh , there is an idea lets see if eu will accept it! Reached out to US for help, but they said the same thing as EU- no free movement of people, no single market!!! So, UK has voted brexit on immigration basis and now appears they won't be able to control immigration !Now after the dust has settle we can annoy the mud for a wile.
 
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Nothing has started or changed yet, tbh. UK hasn't filed article 50 . What appears tho , there is no plan for action at all and will take time until we have something n the table to negotiate about. EU is pressing for start, UK don't give a f**k. Business has put pressure on government to start asap the negotiations . No plan, no ideas the only thing we know is that the business wants access to the single market. Oh , there is an idea lets see if eu will accept it! Reached out to US for help, but they said the same thing as EU- no free movement of people, no single market!!! So, UK has voted brexit on immigration basis and now appears they won't be able to control immigration !Now after the dust has settle we can annoy the mud for a wile.
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You see that is the mistake being made it was not solely immigration it was about the eu and the fact it's unelected unaccountable and want a one government Europe.

800.000 BMW's a year say the German businesses will not allow the German government to impose a tariff, end off argument and what the Germans do the rest of them will do because Germany says so.
 
gps said:
You see that is the mistake being made it was not solely immigration it was about the eu and the fact it's unelected unaccountable and want a one government Europe.

800.000 BMW's a year say the German businesses will not allow the German government to impose a tariff, end off argument and what the Germans do the rest of them will do because Germany says so.
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I think we both know immigration turned the vote around and ther is no mistake about it. As for the rest, I sincerely hope you are right gps. Everything we know so far is there won't be special treatment for UK.
 
gps said:
Sorry buddy DC had no choice but to resign, there is two years to plan for leaving so what don't you get here?

Btw ftse is back to where it was and the pound is in the back up what's changed ? I tell you what nothing
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Have you read article 50 cos i have and the 2 years is not a planning window it is a negotiation window i.e. when you start the article 50 process you should have your plan in place and then you start negotiating which, must be completed within the 2 years however if both parties agree this period can be extended.
Only a fool would go into a negotiation without planning exactly what they would like from those negotiations.
Cameron as the leader of the incumbent government in my opinion should have tried to make a fist of it rather than rolling over. Then again let's be honest about it they only included the referendum and the immigration sheite in their manifesto because they thought UKIP where gonna hammer them in certain areas of the country during the last election.
I voted out and am quite happy with how i voted and am sick and tired of hearing how it is supposed to be a step backwards. If Europe and the rest of the developed world really are as progressive as they like to think they are why do we need another very expensive layer of politics and civil service ? surely if they are all as wonderfully progressive as they say they are do they need another layer of politics to carry out these wonderful progressive policies why can't they just sort it out them selves ?

Two quotes spring to mind every time i think or hear about politics.

"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"

"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
 
raggles said:
Have you read article 50 cos i have and the 2 years is not a planning window it is a negotiation window i.e. when you start the article 50 process you should have your plan in place and then you start negotiating which, must be completed within the 2 years however if both parties agree this period can be extended.
Only a fool would go into a negotiation without planning exactly what they would like from those negotiations.
Cameron as the leader of the incumbent government in my opinion should have tried to make a fist of it rather than rolling over. Then again let's be honest about it they only included the referendum and the immigration sheite in their manifesto because they thought UKIP where gonna hammer them in certain areas of the country during the last election.
I voted out and am quite happy with how i voted and am sick and tired of hearing how it is supposed to be a step backwards. If Europe and the rest of the developed world really are as progressive as they like to think they are why do we need another very expensive layer of politics and civil service ? surely if they are all as wonderfully progressive as they say they are do they need another layer of politics to carry out these wonderful progressive policies why can't they just sort it out them selves ?

Two quotes spring to mind every time i think or hear about politics.

"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"

"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
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Animals are not equal though, when was the last time you went to a jungle ?
 
Germany wanted rule in the last two world wars and we won both them they are not going to walk over us again,as said on the radio we take more from them than they take from us if anything we will be unsettling their market and if tariffs are imposed they will still have to generous as we could hit them just as hard the eu is a political union who will want to create a super state one parliament one currency one court no boarders this isn't what it was set up for,our great grandparents didn't have to go through wars for this to happen and the ones who moan that the older generation have taken their choice away how about they made it possible for them to vote, this country has been made to be a socialist push over when now the real people have had enough of it and have spoke there will only be a small bump in the road and I would expect an apology off of the remain voters,they ask why we are better off out but why are we better off in? I can't see Albania paying in as much as we have been paying in can you,everyone should of put the same amount of money in for a seat at the table
 
Pagey said:
Germany wanted rule in the last two world wars and we won both them they are not going to walk over us again,as said on the radio we take more from them than they take from us if anything we will be unsettling their market and if tariffs are imposed they will still have to generous as we could hit them just as hard the eu is a political union who will want to create a super state one parliament one currency one court no boarders this isn't what it was set up for,our great grandparents didn't have to go through wars for this to happen and the ones who moan that the older generation have taken their choice away how about they made it possible for them to vote, this country has been made to be a socialist push over when now the real people have had enough of it and have spoke there will only be a small bump in the road and I would expect an apology off of the remain voters,they ask why we are better off out but why are we better off in? I can't see Albania paying in as much as we have been paying in can you,everyone should of put the same amount of money in for a seat at the table
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The point of countries putting in smaller amounts and receiving funding back from the EU is so that when their economy grows we benefit from trading with them. EU have made it clear that to remain in the single market there must be free movement. What's your view on that?
 
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The point of countries putting in smaller amounts and receiving funding back from the EU is so that when their economy grows we benefit from trading with them. EU have made it clear that to remain in the single market there must be free movement. What's your view on that?
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People should be able to move about and contribute to the country they are in I feel if it was one super state and what they are planning on one currency one tax rate then there should be in place on benefit system it's the uks fault that we have a benefit system that is open to abuse be it by immigrants or our own people, thing is when you have economies like Romania and Bulgaria and Albania that are way beyond contributing what we do and don't have to pay in what we do but are free to come and take from us I can't see how this is fair on us, it's a fact that although people say that they contribute to our tax system and put in its out weighed by the benefits they take as in tax credits and housing benefit,this is not aimed solely at economic immigrants we have our own people who see it as a way of life and it should stop,we can't take the worlds problems on when we have enough of our own all this foreign aid at 7% should stop as well because it just funds corrupt countries, the amount of money we send along with Red Nose Day children in need ect we hardly see massive improvements and there is no one to police it
 
@Pagey good to see that you're ok on freedom of movement, don't think the racist side of leave will be too happy. Good to see ole Boris get the f**k**g heave ho, imagine that blonde t**t zip wiring off across the channel in his union Jack shorts to negotiate with Brussels. I dislike May, but far better option for Europe deal, try and salvage something from the fallout. The whole thing is so embarrassing, and farage is a national disgrace. Would've smacked the toad if i was sat next to that rothmans smoking cünt yesterday. If it's gove I'm definitely off that man is the superprick of British politics.
 
Pagey said:
Germany wanted rule in the last two world wars and we won both them they are not going to walk over us again,as said on the radio we take more from them than they take from us if anything we will be unsettling their market and if tariffs are imposed they will still have to generous as we could hit them just as hard the eu is a political union who will want to create a super state one parliament one currency one court no boarders this isn't what it was set up for,our great grandparents didn't have to go through wars for this to happen and the ones who moan that the older generation have taken their choice away how about they made it possible for them to vote, this country has been made to be a socialist push over when now the real people have had enough of it and have spoke there will only be a small bump in the road and I would expect an apology off of the remain voters,they ask why we are better off out but why are we better off in? I can't see Albania paying in as much as we have been paying in can you,everyone should of put the same amount of money in for a seat at the table
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Your royal family is German ;) just putting it out there xx
 
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@Pagey good to see that you're ok on freedom of movement, don't think the racist side of leave will be too happy. Good to see ole Boris get the f**k**g heave ho, imagine that blonde t**t zip wiring off across the channel in his union Jack shorts to negotiate with Brussels. I dislike May, but far better option for Europe deal, try and salvage something from the fallout. The whole thing is so embarrassing, and farage is a national disgrace. Would've smacked the toad if i was sat next to that rothmans smoking cünt yesterday. If it's gove I'm definitely off that man is the superprick of British politics.
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I think you mis-read it
 
Squarehead said:
@Pagey good to see that you're ok on freedom of movement, don't think the racist side of leave will be too happy. Good to see ole Boris get the f**k**g heave ho, imagine that blonde t**t zip wiring off across the channel in his union Jack shorts to negotiate with Brussels. I dislike May, but far better option for Europe deal, try and salvage something from the fallout. The whole thing is so embarrassing, and farage is a national disgrace. Would've smacked the toad if i was sat next to that rothmans smoking cünt yesterday. If it's gove I'm definitely off that man is the superprick of British politics.
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Naturally you wouldn't like farage as he actually sticks up for the country and wouldn't sell it down the river like you.
 
Squarehead said:
@Pagey good to see that you're ok on freedom of movement, don't think the racist side of leave will be too happy. Good to see ole Boris get the f**k**g heave ho, imagine that blonde t**t zip wiring off across the channel in his union Jack shorts to negotiate with Brussels. I dislike May, but far better option for Europe deal, try and salvage something from the fallout. The whole thing is so embarrassing, and farage is a national disgrace. Would've smacked the toad if i was sat next to that rothmans smoking cünt yesterday. If it's gove I'm definitely off that man is the superprick of British politics.
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I agree on May, at she had the balls to say she'll start article 50 noone else said it before.
And I'm glad to see that BJ is a goner as a pm candidate

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zolco said:
I agree on May, at she had the balls to say she'll start article 50 noone else said it before.
And I'm glad to see that BJ is a goner as a pm candidate

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Coz there is nobody left ( no pun intended) I said she would go for it and the only reason they would put her out is coz she is female but I men aren't that stupid. I couldn't stop laughing at the young fella who put his name in the hat he honestly looked like an actor giving his speech. Why you would think one is better than the other when they are all the same is beyond me .
 
How can anyone put farage down and not let him have his moment? It makes me angry that people paint the top people of the European Union as saints these people have vilified him and made his life hell because all he was doing was exposing the truth and what they are up to me myself thought it was a brilliant speech and he deserves credit for winning what he believed in, he championed it wasn't racist to mention immigration ok he got some things wrong but it will all come to a head when you find exactly what the eu have in the pipe line and can you tell me that it's not appalling the way some eu members have behaved after the Brexit win, wake up and see this is the reality of them, the people who promote democracy then have the audacity to turn round and oh you won't get this you won't get that it wasn't a nice marriage but wait for the divorce how can you tell me this is people you want to be at a table with the ftse 100 closed at the highest it has been for 3 months and all that dead cat bounce is rubbish experts are saying its way beyond what they expected,the left are also fuming because corbyn the hero is making a mockery of the Labour Party, by right all us manual workers should support labour but they have forgotten people like me and gone way to far they want to represent minorities which is fine but what about my fears my worries about the world I was seen as a safe vote for them but not while the so far left will I ever vote labour
 
Pagey said:
How can anyone put farage down and not let him have his moment? It makes me angry that people paint the top people of the European Union as saints these people have vilified him and made his life hell because all he was doing was exposing the truth and what they are up to me myself thought it was a brilliant speech and he deserves credit for winning what he believed in, he championed it wasn't racist to mention immigration ok he got some things wrong but it will all come to a head when you find exactly what the eu have in the pipe line and can you tell me that it's not appalling the way some eu members have behaved after the Brexit win, wake up and see this is the reality of them, the people who promote democracy then have the audacity to turn round and oh you won't get this you won't get that it wasn't a nice marriage but wait for the divorce how can you tell me this is people you want to be at a table with the ftse 100 closed at the highest it has been for 3 months and all that dead cat bounce is rubbish experts are saying its way beyond what they expected,the left are also fuming because corbyn the hero is making a mockery of the Labour Party, by right all us manual workers should support labour but they have forgotten people like me and gone way to far they want to represent minorities which is fine but what about my fears my worries about the world I was seen as a safe vote for them but not while the so far left will I ever vote labour
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You are the minority but you can't see it what do he ever change in his 17 years ? Don't blame anyone what did he actually do from getting his own back for laughing at him?
 
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