Why are quotes all over the shop?

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Danny said:
Its not new.... just fed up with being diplomatic and fed up with the price of plastering going down the toilet.

If the prices increased I would gladly go back on the tools but i am not killing my body for wages
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Wish that culture would hurry up over here.
 
Mos said:
Hi FreeD

Thanks for taking the time to work that up. Unfortunately it too dear for this project, but I'll keep you in mind when I next refurbish my yacht.
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Ha ha no worries at all! I don't need the work as I have plenty of customers that are happy to pay for the perfect finish, suitable material specification and excellent customer service. BTW if you want me to take the time to quote future projects there will be a charge. :)
 
On thing is positive about the post people are finding it harder to find a plasterer to work for peanuts...that says the ball is in our side of the court. Keep the rates high lads we work f*cking hard and have lots of overheads. £200 a day is 10 years ago...£250 minimum...£300 is a fair days graft.
 
FreeD said:
On thing is positive about the post people are finding it harder to find a plasterer to work for peanuts...that says the ball is in our side of the court. Keep the rates high lads we work f*cking hard and have lots of overheads. £200 a day is 10 years ago...£250 minimum...£300 is a fair days graft.
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Cockney1 said:
Will you get an invoice? How has he asked to be payed?
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Hello again

No, I'm not expecting an invoice. He hasn't mentioned cash in hand, but I suspect that it will be.

Can you imagine how in would come across if I started insisting on invoices and auditable bank transfers or seeing their insurance certificates!? Id struggle to get a tradesman even more than I do currently.

I much prefer paying by bank transfer, it's a bloody
nightmare trying withdraw £1000 through these ATMs I'm limited to £250 max per day. Will let you know what he says.

Funny story, I sold my fiesta last year and the guy paid in cash: £5.5k and I went to the bank to deposit it, so I said to the teller "id like to make a cash deposit, teller says "do you now know how much is there?", I say "yes, £5,500" and i could see through the corner of my eyes, these two ladies at the next window along looking me up and down. I just ignored them, but as I walked away after my transaction they shouted "F*****g drug dealer!!" Lol!! I had no desire to engage in a shouting match so didn't bother to stop. But that's another reason I don't like going to the bank to withdraw cash.
 
McBentLegs said:
The market has dictated.. You keep going for the cheapest prices though?

Supply and demand does affect wages.. (immigration).

Good on you for being honest, you seem like a fairly decent guy, you need to understand that you have to pay good money for good work though.. and that means you losing money in the process, your property value doesn't increase at the same rate you spend money on it..
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Hi

I have learnt that although price can be useful proxy for a good tradesman, it by no means guarantees top notch standards.

There have been instances in the past where I have paid for a roofer for example, quite a pricey quote but seemed to have an add in the yellow pages and a very smart looking Van. Must be a consummate professional I thought, so the pricey quote makes sense. Anyway the tosser left me with a leak for 3 months and only returned after i left him a negative review on Google.

So I ask to see previous jobs now and get feedback from a customer or two. Or use checkatrade and select someone with consistently good feedback.

McBentLegs said:
Also don't forget you will actively decrease the value of it if you get bad quality work done.
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This is a very good point, thanks.
 
lurpak said:
Yes. Mo is smart. You’ll go do the job for pennies and tell your pals how witty and fun mo was.

Meanwhile. Mo’s forgotten you and he’ll pretend he can’t see you at costa.
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Gosh, you seem a little bitter. I say hello to everyone I know, life's too short to hold your nose up at people or bear grudges.
 
Mos said:
Your second point about wages is fair, you take the extra risk of being self employed hence you should get rewarded that. But could a self employed plasterer keep themselves constantly employed if they accepted £170 per day as opposed to £220 per day where they can only get work for a fraction of the time?

Each to their own I suspect.
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£220 a day is still cheap... working for wages or running a business....
 
Mos said:
Hello again

No, I'm not expecting an invoice. He hasn't mentioned cash in hand, but I suspect that it will be.

Can you imagine how in would come across if I started insisting on invoices and auditable bank transfers or seeing their insurance certificates!? Id struggle to get a tradesman even more than I do currently.

I much prefer paying by bank transfer, it's a bloody
nightmare trying withdraw £1000 through these ATMs I'm limited to £250 max per day. Will let you know what he says.

Funny story, I sold my fiesta last year and the guy paid in cash: £5.5k and I went to the bank to deposit it, so I said to the teller "id like to make a cash deposit, teller says "do you now know how much is there?", I say "yes, £5,500" and i could see through the corner of my eyes, these two ladies at the next window along looking me up and down. I just ignored them, but as I walked away after my transaction they shouted "F*****g drug dealer!!" Lol!! I had no desire to engage in a shouting match so didn't bother to stop. But that's another reason I don't like going to the bank to withdraw cash.
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Blimey by what you say about these sort of issues, then I do feel a bit sorry for you because you must live in a proper shithole part of the country! Like I said “good luck” with it.
 
Donzo said:
Curry's & beer for the lurpak.
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Saturday morning butty van for lurpy

@Cockney1 not working lol

Why are quotes all over the shop?
 
Cockney1 said:
Blimey by what you say about these sort of issues, then I do feel a bit sorry for you because you must live in a proper shithole part of the country! Like I said “good luck” with it.
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It’s no different to most other northern industrial towns/cities,has rough areas, has some really nice areas. Some lovely buildings/parks in Bradford, it was one of the wealthiest city’s in the world 100 years ago, due to the wool industry, just suffered from lack of investment since mills closed down.
 
owls said:
It’s no different to most other northern industrial towns/cities,has rough areas, has some really nice areas. Some lovely buildings/parks in Bradford, it was one of the wealthiest city’s in the world 100 years ago, due to the wool industry, just suffered from lack of investment since mills closed down.
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Sounds depressing.
 
Mos said:
Can you imagine how in would come across if I started insisting on invoices and auditable bank transfers or seeing their insurance certificates!? Id struggle to get a tradesman COWBOY TO DO IT ON THE CHEAP even more than I do currently.
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A little presumptuous of me, but I corrected your typo. (y)
 
megamix said:
He don’t sound like your regular rag head . He probably wants the job doing but because of his ethnicity he’s having no luck . Don’t get me wrong I’ve been done over by Asians myself and would never work for one again . I’m actually of I****n Descent myself . My mum is half cast and half my family are I****n but I’d never work for them, but this mo is growing on me .
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*******.... haha, very colorful.

But really, tradespeople avoid customers based on ethnicity? But that's like folding your hand pre-flop in poker, you'll never know that you might have hit a full house!

Perhaps you're right maybe that's why I am struggling...

Did you have a solution in mind?

Also the differences between Pakistanis are more socioeconomic than cultural. This is because most Pakistanis that came to the UK were underprivileged- with a almost nothing to lose, in some cases had to borrow for the airfare- mostly people from the Pakistan occupied Kashmir region where not only was there prospect of war but also massive displacement due to the building of dams. These people were literally running away with little more than clothes on their backs.

Many "Indians" to the UK came after idi Amin expelled people of southeast Asian heritage from Uganda. These people were educated, mostly successful merchants. It didn't take them long to get established in the UK and do very well indeed. They may have had assets confiscated in Uganda but they still had an abundance of human and cultural capital to bring. Completely different class of people. Other Indians in the UK mostly came to exploit higher educational and business opportunities and have settled. Again a far cry from most Pakistanis. Most Indians are nominally Hindu, but there are notable I****n Muslims too.

As for whether they're Muslim or Hindu, in either case as people become more materially well off and better assimilated into Western society they tend to only qualify as being loosely religious.

However this is where Pakistanis still come worse off because they brought very little cultural capital, and havent done as well as Indians economically, they cling onto religion- hence they support for all these mosques. Because they have now become isolated from mainstream Pakistani society they feel paranoid about losing whatever little culture they had. This means they are more averse to assimilation because that would dilute it even further. Indians have no such hangups and assimilate far more readily.
 
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Mos said:
*******.... haha, very colorful.

But really, tradespeople avoid customers based on ethnicity? But that's like folding your hand pre-flop in poker, you'll never know that you might have hit a full house!

Perhaps you're right maybe that's why I am struggling...

Did you have a solution in mind?

Also the differences between Pakistanis are more socioeconomic than cultural. This is because most Pakistanis that came to the UK were underprivileged- with a almost nothing to lose, in some cases had to borrow for the airfare- mostly people from the Pakistan occupied Kashmir region where not only was there prospect of war but also massive displacement due to the building of dams. These people were literally running away with little more than clothes on their backs.

Many "Indians" to the UK came after idi Amin expelled people of southeast Asian heritage from Uganda. These people were educated, mostly successful merchants. It didn't take them long to get established in the UK and do very well indeed. They may have had assets confiscated in Uganda but they still had an abundance of human and cultural capital to bring. Completely different class of people. Other Indians in the UK mostly came to exploit higher educational and business opportunities and have settled. Again a far cry from most Pakistanis.
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Yes, many people do avoid Pakistani customers.

The haggling that so often comes with it is just more bother than it's worth, extra jobs, begging for discounts, wives not answering the door because the husband isn't in. Penny pinching on the job, out of date bags of gear that they got off the brother in law...All sorts of shite.

It's just not worth the hassle.
 
Stevieo said:
Yes, many people do avoid Pakistani customers.

The haggling that so often comes with it is just more bother than it's worth, extra jobs, begging for discounts, wives not answering the door because the husband isn't in. Penny pinching on the job, out of date bags of gear that they got off the brother in law...All sorts of shite.

It's just not worth the hassle.
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Sad but true.
 
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